In this latest episode, Shaun and Chris talk with Dr. Stephen Trzeciak, co-author of Wonder Drug, 7 scientifically proven ways that serving others is the best medicine for yourself. The guys discuss Chris and Steve’s time at Notre Dame, Steve’s experience in the ICU, compassion, data nerds and the power of research, burnout, parochial empathy, sarcasm, being a Live to Giver, and more.

You can get your copy of Wonder Drug here and Compassionomics here

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