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In this episode, Shaun and Chris talk with Emma Varvaloucas, Executive Director of The Progress Network, a non-profit “building an idea movement that speaks to a better future in a world dominated by voices that suggest a worse one.” Emma and the boys talk doom scrolling, living in NYC and overseas, Buddhism, journalism, media and the news, anti-pessimism, and more.

Learn more about Emma and the Progress Network here

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