In this episode, Chris and Shaun talk with Chris’ good friend and bandmate, Dr. Jon Sherman or “Sherm.” The guys discuss the power of camp, humor in therapy, treating eating disorders, the absurdity of marriage, working with couples vs. women vs. men and a whole lot more.

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