In episode 15, Chris and Shaun talk with Jordan Shapiro, Temple University professor and author of Father Figure; How to be a Feminist Dad. They cover parenting, masculinity, what it means to be a feminist, the good life, philly cheesesteaks and bourbon waffles. This interview is insightful and fun (as always!). You can learn more about Jordan and order his books at https://www.jordanshapiro.org.